Price Range Of Full Height Wardrobe With Sliding Door

[lejosef 0]

I am just sharing my good experience. You meant if anyone just put in a few post and so cannot share. You also have only a few post and all your posts is about this company and why you hate this company so much.

Let me guess, you must be one of the ex-employees or even James Tey himself or his guys who left *** together with him when he got a big investor to give him shares and started 9 Degrees Design in Enterprise One. Then subsequently, 9 Degrees closed shop suddenly in just 6 months or less. God know how many clients they put in the fix or ran away with their money. These are probably clients they got when they advertised in the papers and done several Expo trade shows. They tried to offer the same laminate inside product strategy to hit Blve at a lost probably since their other reno items are more expensive to cover. They got no factory to support them and no direct import of laminates to reduce costs, so they move back to PVC plywood like every other ID in Singapore. There is nothing wrong with PVC except the quality of PVC vs laminate is heaven and earth. If PVC is so good, why not use it on all the exterior doors. Which ID is willing to do that and offer warranty.

The truth is *** is still around, doing well I guess as they are very busy since they offer the "any colour, pattern, wood grain laminate for all cabinets (shoe, kitchen, wardrobe, study, etc.) at PVC Prices". Their factory and their large showroom in Arumugam Rd and their product distribution companies are still around. They distribute, import directly and sells their own brand of laminates, kitchen and wardrobe accessories, furniture hardware, taps, sinks, sanitarywares, bathroom accessories, etc. I have not come across any ID firm in Singapore with similar setup - ID,own carpentry factory and own product importation like laminates.

I think it is very simple. The forum is where anyone with their own agenda and interests share their experience, true or not, no one will know except themselves. You believe what you want to believe. Just like what the bible said, test the spirit. Test the IDs or contractors. If you are the design type, work with the IDs you are most comfortable with that designs your dream house. Of course, their prices are usually higher. *****, ** are some of such companies. Large ones like * (you need to find the experienced ones), Chew, U-Home, Idea Classic and Weichen are some of the better IDs. * is very competitive if not for their PVC plywood internals.

On the same tone with any IDs, do your own due diligence. Steps like those below will help:

1) Visit Renotalk or other forums, read as much as you can. You can be very knowledgeable after that so IDs cannot smoke you left and right.

2) Send an enquiry through the forum and get as many quotes as possible to compare.

3) Visit them in their office or better still their showroom. In Singapore, showrooms or offices, especially large ones are costly to maintain, so if the company has not those kind of resources, they are usually If no office, be careful, if they ran away with your money, God help you. Never pay cash/cash cheque to the sales persons or even the owners. Always pay to the company, cross the cheques. If you don't have cheques use a banker cheques to the company name. You have better legal and police recourse if they ran away.

4) See their portfolio and their designers, talk to them if possible. Make sure they know their stuff. Some sales people don't know a thing.

5) At their showroom, ask as many questions as possible. See their setup, offices, display, samples, etc.

6) See their factory if possible. See their quality there, talk to the carpenters there. See their materials and factory organisation. Talk to the factory manager. Ids with factories don't close so easily. Many IDs don't have factory and rely on carpentry sub-contractors which is fine if they manage them well or have good sub-contractor which you don't know until the carpentry reach your house. By that time, it might be too late as they would have collected about 90% of your money already.

7) Get a quote. Make them specify in their quote all the materials they would use on their quotations to avoid arguments. Information like tile costs, where they buy their tiles, solid surface and granite from, whether they use Malaysian tilers (Chinese tilers are not very good), carpentry (the plywood use, thickness of doors, laminates, inside materials of cabinets (pvc, polygon or laminates in that order of quality, durability and looks), hardware use, soft closing, under-mounted drawer slides, any stainless steel hinges or hardware use, how they construct their cabinets, etc, sanitary wares, sink, taps, etc.(what brands), paints, etc. Compare their quotes. Ask for things or lengths/sizes that you may or not renovate or increase just in case you change your mind and then they up the price later for these items.

8) Get them to see some of the houses they are renovating, not just finished ones. Talk to the owners if possible. Owners don't have to side them.

9) Monitor the project very closely. Be reasonable and nice, but make a stand if you got a point or problem they have to resolve for you.

10) Enjoy the process and no need to be stressed.

If you are comfortable with the IDs, the design, setup and materials, go with your decisions and due diligence test results.

So i questioned the true agenda of lejosef or those forumers who don't identify themselves or have something against one company or others and yet do not provide proof of wrong doing, etc.

wow. how do you know these details if you are not from the company?

i've been a silent reader for some time and started looking for IDs for my home. i heard abt laminate insides but was skeptical as the price was so cheap. i came here to search and only saw bad reviews,no good reviews! my wife likes the pretty laminates, and i was trying to show her the reviews but can't find it and saw your post(s) instead.

i don't see any need to identify myself nor provide any proof. i'm not out to prove anything, but your reaction speaks for itself.

i got a quote from blve and blue, only the carpentry is cheap but other stuff is expensive if you compare. the company keep selling the laminate insides and how superior they are compared to other ID firms. sanitary wares and sinks and all other things are overpriced. if so good, why no good reviews from customers?

to read about the boss of this company and how he swindled millions you can read the link below. he also ran away with many people's money. i am definitely not very comfortable with entrusting blve and blue or myidfactory or lamidoor with my home, even if the prices are cheap. keep changing name people also will find out. no honesty no integrity come forum advertise and still dare to accuse others? how to do business like that? shame on you.

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/money-mind-210/land-banking-land-international-far-east-land-wealth-centre-2624724.html

what goes around will come around.

Edited May 10, 2012 by lejosef

[lejosef 0]

They are working now....... here are again

http://www.renotalk.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=40819&st=40

http://www.renotalk.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=40819&st=200

thanks!

but what i read was another 2 threads specifically about myidfactory and blve blue. can't find it anymore.

Edited May 10, 2012 by lejosef

[GESNONO 0]

wow. how do you know these details if you are not from the company?

i've been a silent reader for some time and started looking for IDs for my home. i heard abt laminate insides but was skeptical as the price was so cheap. i came here to search and only saw bad reviews,no good reviews! my wife likes the pretty laminates, and i was trying to show her the reviews but can't find it and saw your post(s) instead.

i don't see any need to identify myself nor provide any proof. i'm not out to prove anything, but your reaction speaks for itself.

i got a quote from blve and blue, only the carpentry is cheap but other stuff is expensive if you compare. the company keep selling the laminate insides and how superior they are compared to other ID firms. sanitary wares and sinks and all other things are overpriced. if so good, why no good reviews from customers?

to read about the boss of this company and how he swindled millions you can read the link below. he also ran away with many people's money. i am definitely not very comfortable with entrusting blve and blue or myidfactory or lamidoor with my home, even if the prices are cheap. keep changing name people also will find out. no honesty no integrity come forum advertise and still dare to accuse others? how to do business like that? shame on you.

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/money-mind-210/land-banking-land-international-far-east-land-wealth-centre-2624724.html

what goes around will come around.

Wow you seems to know so much and gets very aggressive for a silent reader! In his first post in the forum he immediately complained that i advertise for Lamidoor. Then he said they are the same company and boss. Wow know so much insider info. Later he said their carpentry is indeed cheap but other stuff is expensive. How do you know it is cheap if you are not someone from the industry. Silent reader my foot! It seems that he has probably no answer to their internal laminate strategy. Only someone still in the renovation industry or definitely looks like a disgruntled ex-employee that probably got fired or something like that or hate the company or boss so much so that he will get so personal in his attacks.

In this forum, every company seems to have bad reviews. Some are probably real, many are probably baseless. Look at many of the more prominent IDs, big or small, all got wacked. That is how forum works. I did my carpentry in internal laminates and they are cheap and good. I pay and they deliver. I don't care what some guys with some hidden agenda siad. I do my due diligemce. I visit their ongoing sites, their factory, showroom, talk to their clients and see their quality before making decisions. That is the fact that they have a unique superior product - internal laminate cabinets. You also confirmed that their carpentry is cheap. Nothing wrong in using that winning strategy since they import their own laminates. Different comanies have different strategies in the market place. Only those who spend time attacking others without developing any unique selling points or strategies for their companies will see their business declined, then get bitter and eventually fail.

I am wondering, how can their hardware, sinks, taps and sanitary wares be expensive when they import, distribute and deal directly with end customers. You got check their prices or not or are you just bullxxxxing that you got a quote from them. Quotations are free anyway from them or other IDs. Get a quote and compare or believe this disgruntled guy. From his immediate reaction, he is probably be amongst the group that left Blve to form 9 Degrees Design which closed suddenly in less than 6 months. Not a very good track record indeed on the leader, James Tey's resume. I think Blve boss should thank God that they left. Who needs employees like them! Would you trust your renovation to them? Beware!

[isurewin 0]

Hi, have anybody been to the new Furniture Mall at no. 10 toh guan road? Saw this show selling customised wardrobe with sliding doors and they have a promo going on now.

[DavidChan 0]

Hi, have anybody been to the new Furniture Mall at no. 10 toh guan road? Saw this show selling customised wardrobe with sliding doors and they have a promo going on now.

Hi isurewin,if im not wrong you are refering to vincere interior. They are specialist in built-in wardrobe which is using aluminium sliding doors and also giving a free option to use mirror instead of coloured glass on the doors. Have you purchase from them?

[lejosef 0]

Wow you seems to know so much and gets very aggressive for a silent reader! In his first post in the forum he immediately complained that i advertise for Lamidoor. Then he said they are the same company and boss. Wow know so much insider info. Later he said their carpentry is indeed cheap but other stuff is expensive. How do you know it is cheap if you are not someone from the industry. Silent reader my foot! It seems that he has probably no answer to their internal laminate strategy. Only someone still in the renovation industry or definitely looks like a disgruntled ex-employee that probably got fired or something like that or hate the company or boss so much so that he will get so personal in his attacks.

In this forum, every company seems to have bad reviews. Some are probably real, many are probably baseless. Look at many of the more prominent IDs, big or small, all got wacked. That is how forum works. I did my carpentry in internal laminates and they are cheap and good. I pay and they deliver. I don't care what some guys with some hidden agenda siad. I do my due diligemce. I visit their ongoing sites, their factory, showroom, talk to their clients and see their quality before making decisions. That is the fact that they have a unique superior product - internal laminate cabinets. You also confirmed that their carpentry is cheap. Nothing wrong in using that winning strategy since they import their own laminates. Different comanies have different strategies in the market place. Only those who spend time attacking others without developing any unique selling points or strategies for their companies will see their business declined, then get bitter and eventually fail.

I am wondering, how can their hardware, sinks, taps and sanitary wares be expensive when they import, distribute and deal directly with end customers. You got check their prices or not or are you just bullxxxxing that you got a quote from them. Quotations are free anyway from them or other IDs. Get a quote and compare or believe this disgruntled guy. From his immediate reaction, he is probably be amongst the group that left Blve to form 9 Degrees Design which closed suddenly in less than 6 months. Not a very good track record indeed on the leader, James Tey's resume. I think Blve boss should thank God that they left. Who needs employees like them! Would you trust your renovation to them? Beware!

as you said, quotes are free and i got a quote from blve and blue. i do not know james or have i heard of 9 degrees. i've no idea why you keep insisting that i am them or from the industry. comments from the other forum member who lost $11.8k from blve and blue also said that carpentry was cheap but total wasn't cheap.

what i know was from a previous thread with the link below (i got it from my internet history) but it doesn't work anymore. someone can ask the forum administrator. one customer who got their carpentry delayed again and again got worried and started searching about the company and it's boss.

http://www.renotalk.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=39682&st=40

people can judge for themselves.

may god bless you.

[Blveblue 0]

as you said, quotes are free and i got a quote from blve and blue. i do not know james or have i heard of 9 degrees. i've no idea why you keep insisting that i am them or from the industry. comments from the other forum member who lost $11.8k from blve and blue also said that carpentry was cheap but total wasn't cheap.

what i know was from a previous thread with the link below (i got it from my internet history) but it doesn't work anymore. someone can ask the forum administrator. one customer who got their carpentry delayed again and again got worried and started searching about the company and it's boss.

http://www.renotalk.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=39682&st=40

people can judge for themselves.

may god bless you.

I act for the Blve and Blue Group of Companies. You have posted false comments that other forum member have lost $11.8k from Blve and blue. Please state your name, Nric or passport number, tel number and address, and the alleged victim contact details (tel, name, Nric or passport number) to verify your wild accusations without any facts or basis. List your name and expect legal actions from us. if what you said is true, don't hide!

Similar to earlier posts by the forumer, Gesnono, we also believed that the writers are closely related to James Tey, formerly from Chew Interiors and former Showroom Manager of blve and blue Design Works. James has previously started his own ID which closed and then joined Chew Interiors. He then caused a mess and passed many untrue rumors about the company and the owners of Blve and Blue to justify his reasons to misled many sales people to follow him to 9 Degrees Design in Enterprise One. The most creditable reason is that he was offered shares in 9 Degrees. He, together with Lesley Koh, ex-manager who was fired by the boss of Blve and Blue for poor performance. Lesley was also involved in a failed ID and in financial difficulties. He applied and got a job given by the boss of Blve and Blue.

And then suddenly, there appeared a 'caucasian woman' in the forum who knows a lot about Blve and Blue! I was told much later quite shocking and interesting stories by those familiar.

Lesley, together with Alicia Hsia, an ex-Manager in Blve and Blue planned the move to 9 Degrees, led by James Tey. James and his administrator, Mei Tong are still drawing salary from the company, Blve and Blue when they were doing this. 9 Degrees were incorporated whilst they were still in Blve and Blue, as evident in the Acra company registration. They were renovating their new 9 Degrees showroom and company leads from advertisements paid by Blve and Blue were probably closed elsewhere. They were introduced by a supplier to an innocent investor, Mr Lee Tuck Onn, who invested heavily in the new company, 9 Degrees. As leader of the pack, shares were awarded to James Tey. Many items, even cheap things like items in the first aid kits disappeared in the Blve and Blue showroom and displays, walls, etc. were broken and dirtied on purpose when they left. 3 tires of the boss's Mercedes were punctured mysteriously too! Can you believed that!

Mr Lee relied heavily on the first 2 months performance of Blve and Blue which enjoyed very high sales based on the internal laminate strategy, the idea initiated by the boss of Blve and Blue. On the third month, James brought the sales down to near zero and still asked the company to advertise heavily and do a couple of expo trade shows. He is preparing for his big move to 9 Degrees where he got shares now compared to Blve and Blue where he is only a Showroom Manager. The men followed him as the boss do not go to the showroom and left him to ran the company. We know later he took the team drinking and partying. They set the stage by posting many untrue forum postings like the above to hopefully drive Blve and Blue out of the market, until they probably did not expect the boss of Blve and Blue to run the showroom himself. Blve and Blue is getting stronger as referral from clients who installed internal laminate cabinets. And recently, with the any color laminates inside promotion, the growing sales speaks for itself. Blve and Blue continued to stay strongly in the market and expanded further into taps, sanitary wares and soon into another renovation product. 9 Degrees tried the laminate inside strategy to boost sales but flopped as they don't have carpentry factory and don't have own laminates, unlike Blve and Blue which have both and hardware, and now taps, sink, sanitary ware, etc.

From what we know, the new investor, Mr Lee placed some safeguards like making James Tey signed contract not to leave suddenly like what he did to Blve and Blue. Who does not want to stay since there was salary to draw every month, whether the company got sales or not. To cut the story short, sales and abilities were probably over promised. Well, leopards don't changed spots. About 6 months later after startup, 9 Degrees Design closed suddenly. This is an undisputed fact. James Tey's accusations and rumours about Blve and Blue did not hold water and turned out to be all false, and his team probably started to disbelieved him and his gang leaders. One by one they leave or look for other opportunities.

They are angry because Blve and Blue is still around! Getting busier too! 9 Degess closure was already anticipated a couple of months ago when one of the ex-employees of Blve and Blue who wanted to leave 9 Degrees and asked for carpentry factory and product price/support on taps, laminates, etc from boss of Blve and Blue. Trouble was brewing in the new setup and the investor, Mr Lee is probably suffering the same situation and action replay as the Boss of Blve and Blue when James Tey was running the show.

Now, James Tey formed a new ID with a small office at Tradehub near IMM, competing with several IDs there. Not sure if he is able to find another investor this time. If necessary, we will reveal the new company name!

That is the true story of James Tey and his doings! Many suppliers in the industry also knows this truth already by now. The facts are open now, challenge us legally if they are not true and don't hide in the forum. If necessary, we will reveal the facts of his other members. The police reports, etc.

A visit to Blve and Blue's group showroom or our factory at 10 sungei kadut street 2 will easily reveal the openess, high quality workmanship and materials, and it's competitive offering. Meet directly the boss and judge for yourself. Visit our sites. Talked to our clients. Certainly, we are still very small and insignificant compared to the more established bigger and well respectable IDs in Singapore. But we are finding our own niche market of internal HPL laminates carpentry at PVC Prices with good quality hardware at reasonable prices.

Blve and Blue Group of companies.

Above confirmed by Mr Beh, MD of BB group.

Edited May 11, 2012 by Blveblue

[lejosef 0]

I act for the Blve and Blue Group of Companies. You have posted false comments that other forum member have lost $11.8k from Blve and blue. Please state your name, Nric or passport number, tel number and address, and the alleged victim contact details (tel, name, Nric or passport number) to verify your wild accusations without any facts or basis. List your name and expect legal actions from us. if what you said is true, don't hide!

Similar to earlier posts by the former, Gesnono, we also believed that the writers are closely related to James Tey, formerly from Chew Interiors and former Showroom Manager of blve and blue Design Works. James has previously started his own ID which closed and then joined Chew Interiors. He then caused a mess and passed many untrue rumors about the company and the owners of Blve and Blue to justify his reasons to misled many sales people to follow him to 9 Degrees Design in Enterprise One. The most creditable reason is that he was offered shares in 9 Degrees. He, together with Lesley Koh, ex-manager who was fired by the boss of Blve and Blue for poor performance. Lesley was also involved in a failed ID and in financial difficulties. He applied and got a job given by the boss of Blve and Blue. Incidentally, this person turned out to be a woman or former female and the company did not know earlier as he did not revealed that. And then suddenly, there appeared a 'caucasian woman' in the forum who knows a lot about Blve and Blue!

Lesley, together with Alicia Hsia, a ex-Manager in Blve and Blue planned the move to 9 Degrees, led by James Tey. James and his administrator, Mei Tong are still drawing salary from the company, Blve and Blue when they were doing this. 9 Degrees were incorporated whilst they were still in Blve and Blue, as evident in the Acra company registration. They were renovating their new 9 Degrees showroom and company leads from advertisements paid by Blve and Blue were probably closed elsewhere. They were introduced by a supplier to an innocent investor, Mr Lee Tuck Onn, who invested heavily in the new company, 9 Degrees. As leader of the pack, shares were awarded to James Tey. Many items, even cheap things like items in the first aid kits disappeared in the Blve and Blue showroom and displays, walls, etc. were broken and dirtied on purpose when they left. 3 tires of the boss's Mercedes were punctured mysteriously too! Can you believed that!

Mr Lee relied heavily on the first 2 months performance of Blve and Blue which enjoyed very high sales based on the internal laminate strategy, the idea initiated by the boss of Blve and Blue. On the third month, James brought the sales down to near zero and still asked the company to advertise heavily and do a couple of expo trade shows. He is preparing for his big move to 9 Degrees where he got shares now compared to Blve and Blue where he is only a Showroom Manager. The men followed him as the boss do not go to the showroom and left him to ran the company. We know later he took the team drinking and partying. They set the stage by posting many untrue forum postings like the above to hopefully drive Blve and Blue out of the market, until they probably did not expect the boss of Blve and Blue to run the showroom himself. Blve and Blue is getting stronger as referral from clients who installed internal laminate cabinets. And recently, with the any color laminates inside promotion, the growing sales speaks for itself. Blve and Blue continued to stay strongly in the market and expanded further into taps, sanitary wares and soon into another renovation product. 9 Degrees tried the laminate inside strategy to boost sales but flopped as they don't have carpentry factory and don't have own laminates, unlike Blve and Blue which have both and hardware, and now taps, sink, sanitary ware, etc.

From what we know, the new investor, Mr Lee placed some safeguards like making James Tey signed contract not to leave suddenly like what he did to Blve and Blue. Who does not want to stay since there was salary to draw every month, whether the company got sales or not. To cut the story short, sales and abilities were probably over promised. Well, leopards don't changed spots. About 6 months later after startup, 9 Degrees Design closed suddenly. This is an undisputed fact. James Tey's accusations and rumours about Blve and Blue did not hold water and turned out to be all false, and his team probably started to disbelieved him and his gang leaders. One by one they leave or look for other opportunities.

They are angry because Blve and Blue is still around! Getting busier too! 9 Degess closure was already anticipated a couple of months ago when one of the ex-employees of Blve and Blue who wanted to leave 9 Degrees and asked for carpentry factory and product price/support on taps, laminates, etc from boss of Blve and Blue. Trouble was brewing in the new setup and the investor, Mr Lee is probably suffering the same situation and action replay as the Boss of Blve and Blue when James Tey was running the show.

Now, James Tey formed a new ID with a small office at Tradehub near IMM, competing with several IDs there. Not sure if he is able to find another investor this time. If necessary, we will reveal the new company name!

That is the true story of James Tey and his doings! Many suppliers in the industry also knows this truth already by now. The facts are open now, challenge us legally if they are not true and don't hide in the forum. If necessary, we will reveal the facts of his other members. The police reports, etc.

A visit to Blve and Blue's group showroom or our factory at 10 sungei kadut street 2 will easily reveal the openess, high quality workmanship and materials, and it's competitive offering. Meet directly to the boss and judge for yourself. Visit our sites. Talked to our clients. Certainly, we are still very small and insignificant compared to the more established bigger and well respectable IDs in Singapore. But we are finding our own niche market of internal HPL laminates carpentry at PVC Prices with good quality hardware at reasonable prices.

Blve and Blue Group of companies.

Above confirmed by Mr Beh, MD of BB group.

so u finally came out to the open. as a consumer, i'm not interested in your management disputes. GENSNONO posts does look like advertisements, god knows who he/she is.

i don't think i'm accusing anyone. whether or not it is true, i'm just sharing what i read from a fellow forum's experience. i believe that she has lodged a complaint to CASE.

http://www.renotalk.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=40819&st=40

Posted 03 August 2011 - 12:48 PM

anyway to update ... my id just ran off with my $$ of 11.8k and i have made a police report on him as well as the companies involved and its currently pending commercial crime investigations .. For the company that I have made a cheque deposit to i have also logged a CASE as well as small case against the owner .. pending 2nd interview with the honor for his judement although the owner claims he is innocent and that that idoitic id (or i shall call him pig "same as his surname really befitting) he doesnt know him very well but who cares he did bank in the 1st cheque and thus he accepted my job via that "pig" so if he is innocent and nt that "pig" accomplice then he also very suay .. Have been talking with alot of lawyers and very grateful of them to give me sound advices on how and what to proceed as well as analyse my case for me (without $ yet) .. will leave contacting them for professional service as last resort ($$$) ..

For my home, have got a friend brother in law (whom is a contractor) to help me do up the stuffs (which is all the items i required ..) ..

Also settled my ventilation fans issues in the bathroom , my contractor is going to do my ventilation fan in bathroom up in the false ceiling of my bathrooms (he will customize for me) just like his home and this is cheaper than replacing the windows and also he will be putting a grid protection for the blower and exhust part for protection

With the effect of the lost of the very significant amount, i have also increased my scope of work to include more items so make it more worth my 30+k reno (incuding the amt that "pig" absconded with but i will still try ALL MEANS To get back my $$ regardless form who or whom ..)

God BLESS ME ...

Edited May 11, 2012 by lejosef

[Blveblue 0]

so u finally came out to the open. as a consumer, i'm not interested in your management disputes. GENSNONO posts does look like advertisements, god knows who he/she is.

i don't think i'm accusing anyone. whether or not it is true, i'm just sharing what i read from a fellow forum's experience. i believe that she has lodged a complaint to CASE.

http://www.renotalk.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=40819&st=40

We are in the open! We got nothing to hide! Have you plenty to hide? Coward! Of course you are not interested in James Tey wrong doings and greed! Because you are James Tey!

Since you are so familiar, about the case in aug 2011... Police case, case, commercial crimes.... You are probably talking about yourself. And replying so quickly in seconds and defending like ****, how can you not be James Tey!

Don't forget you! James Tey already has 2 failed IDs under your track record. That is a fact! Probably more will come. God knows how many run away cases cases his firm have? Your partner, Jack Koh be careful! Everywhere he goes and heads, the ship sunk!

How do you know the poster Ayukie is a she?

Now you say you also not sure..."whether or not it is true, i'm just sharing what i read from a fellow forum's experience. i believe that she has lodged a complaint to CASE. " Don't any how believe and repeat if you are not sure whether true or not. See you are a rumour monster or worst a liar!

Any how find one post and accuse his former employer. So can we all accuse you of all the wrong doings, crimes, cheating, etc in this forum? Cannot right! And don't pretend to be a consumer!

Edited May 11, 2012 by Blveblue

[Blveblue 0]

so u finally came out to the open. as a consumer, i'm not interested in your management disputes. GENSNONO posts does look like advertisements, god knows who he/she is.

i don't think i'm accusing anyone. whether or not it is true, i'm just sharing what i read from a fellow forum's experience. i believe that she has lodged a complaint to CASE.

http://www.renotalk.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=40819&st=40

Posted 03 August 2011 - 12:48 PM

anyway to update ... my id just ran off with my $$ of 11.8k and i have made a police report on him as well as the companies involved and its currently pending commercial crime investigations .. For the company that I have made a cheque deposit to i have also logged a CASE as well as small case against the owner .. pending 2nd interview with the honor for his judement although the owner claims he is innocent and that that idoitic id (or i shall call him pig "same as his surname really befitting) he doesnt know him very well but who cares he did bank in the 1st cheque and thus he accepted my job via that "pig" so if he is innocent and nt that "pig" accomplice then he also very suay .. Have been talking with alot of lawyers and very grateful of them to give me sound advices on how and what to proceed as well as analyse my case for me (without $ yet) .. will leave contacting them for professional service as last resort ($$$) ..

For my home, have got a friend brother in law (whom is a contractor) to help me do up the stuffs (which is all the items i required ..) ..

Also settled my ventilation fans issues in the bathroom , my contractor is going to do my ventilation fan in bathroom up in the false ceiling of my bathrooms (he will customize for me) just like his home and this is cheaper than replacing the windows and also he will be putting a grid protection for the blower and exhust part for protection

With the effect of the lost of the very significant amount, i have also increased my scope of work to include more items so make it more worth my 30+k reno (incuding the amt that "pig" absconded with but i will still try ALL MEANS To get back my $$ regardless form who or whom ..)

God BLESS ME ...

There is no mention of any company name? Wow simply pick up one post and accuse your former company of the wrong doings? Of is it really you which you are talking about since you are so familiar and it is 9 Degrees Design? Or are you the pig they are talking about!

[jango1712 0]

There is no mention of any company name? Wow simply pick up one post and accuse your former company of the wrong doings? Of is it really you which you are talking about since you are so familiar and it is 9 Degrees Design? Or are you the pig they are talking about!

Blveblue, it was mentioned indeed:

Post #1 "Also have visted the Blve and Blue design company and i must say im pretty impressed with the wardrobes and kitchen cabinets at their showroom and also the price they are charging for those 2 items but it seems like on the whole

they are not that very cheap as what i have enviosioned as well .."

Post #211 "Kennyboy11 - B&b Id con me of my 10+k! I'm using contractor now"

If GESNONO is truely a customer of yours, I must say he didn't do you any favours with his postings. Since you are from Blveblue, please clarify is your boss Simon Beh the same person as the one that was involved in the UK land sales investment case which was widely reported in the papers?

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We are in the open! We got nothing to hide! Have you plenty to hide? Coward! Of course you are not interested in James Tey wrong doings and greed! Because you are James Tey!

Since you are so familiar, about the case in aug 2011... Police case, case, commercial crimes.... You are probably talking about yourself. And replying so quickly in seconds and defending like ****, how can you not be James Tey!

Don't forget you! James Tey already has 2 failed IDs under your track record. That is a fact! Probably more will come. God knows how many run away cases cases his firm have? Your partner, Jack Koh be careful! Everywhere he goes and heads, the ship sunk!

How do you know the poster Ayukie is a she?

Now you say you also not sure..."whether or not it is true, i'm just sharing what i read from a fellow forum's experience. i believe that she has lodged a complaint to CASE. " Don't any how believe and repeat if you are not sure whether true or not. See you are a rumour monster or worst a liar!

Any how find one post and accuse his former employer. So can we all accuse you of all the wrong doings, crimes, cheating, etc in this forum? Cannot right! And don't pretend to be a consumer!

is GENSNONO the same person as Blveblue? since GENSNONO can no longer defend blveblue without exposing the true identity, blveblue suddenly joins in. your comments are really unprofessional and rude for a big ID firm.

i WAS honestly a potential customer. we went to the showroom, saw the laminated insides, got a quote and was really interested. but before i put down my money, i came into renotalk to search for any reviews. after all, if you are charging pvc prices for laminate insides it sounds too good to be true and there must be many customers right? what i was concerned is whether you can deliver the same good quality on time and without trouble. quality in showroom might not be equal to what is delivered.

but when i came into renotalk, i found 2 threads, one on blve and blue and one on myidfactory. the reviews are not good. one customer who had their carpentry work delayed again and again got worried and search about the company and the boss. i was uncomfortable about what i read and wanted to show my wife to make an informed decision. when i tried to find the threads, it disappeared and all i saw was GENSNONO comments all about how good and cheap lamidoor is. no more mention of myidfactory.

it seemed very fishy to me and i left a comment. and if GENSNONO is really a customer, why would he be so agitated and started mentioning James Tey who i have never heard of. then blveblue came threatening to sue.

how do they make money if they charge pvc prices for laminate insides and still maintain such a big showroom? profits must come from somewhere. i saw most of their basins going for more than 200, while you can get that from hoe kee for 100-200. their quotations for other works are more expensive than market rate too. anyone can get a quotation and compare for themselves.

i don't mind paying slightly more for service and a reliable firm, but your attitude and reaction to bad comments are truly unprofessional. all i can say is i'm glad that i did not put any money down yet.

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Blveblue, it was mentioned indeed:

Post #1 "Also have visted the Blve and Blue design company and i must say im pretty impressed with the wardrobes and kitchen cabinets at their showroom and also the price they are charging for those 2 items but it seems like on the whole

they are not that very cheap as what i have enviosioned as well .."

Post #211 "Kennyboy11 - B&b Id con me of my 10+k! I'm using contractor now"

If GESNONO is truely a customer of yours, I must say he didn't do you any favours with his postings. Since you are from Blveblue, please clarify is your boss Simon Beh the same person as the one that was involved in the UK land sales investment case which was widely reported in the papers?

Firstly, if this imaginary Kennyboy11 was con by bb, why is bb still around? So easy to con and run away with client's renovation money and still maintain their 8000 square feet showroom? If you are kennyboy or others like hey said, would you still let bb survive and not sue them, get he police to get them? All these posts were the works of crooks like James Tey! Use your common sense!

Cheap or not is how you look at it. You meant for any company to survive they must sell everything the cheapest or they will close? If that is he case, then, there will be only a few Id left in Singapore. All the others being higher price will all close shop? Again, use your common sense! We never say we are the cheapest ID around. In any case, most sensible clients usually do not choose the lowest price quote. If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. You want a monkey doing your renovations.

So for those who come to our showroom at Lion building, looking for carpentry, we had over 80% closing rate. Does not take a genius to figure out laminate inside with no extra charge for soft closing hinges and under-mounted slides, stainless steel hinges, better thicker plywood doors, free sink, taps, ... at PVC prices is a good deal and their cabinets last longer and more beautiful with better quality materials. We just hired 2 more designers just to do 3D. The fact is we cannot cope with even quotations! On the other items like wet works, we use better tilers, electricians, hackers, partition plaster sub-contractors and plumbers who deliver quality on time. Don't believe? Come visit our running sites. We pay them more and naturally, they work better. If you want the cheapest prices, go to the likes of James Tey as he is probably desperate after 2 failed IDs under his track record. If any one that is like to ran away with clients monies, it is definitely not bb. They don't need to as they are the only ID in Singapore that imports their own laminates, hardware, kitchen and wardrobe accessories and plywood, own 10,000 sq.ft. factory, 2 warehouses, 8000 sq.ft showroom and still expanding. Which ID firm in Singapore has that kind of setup even if we are definitely not the largest or most estaiblished? James Tey's new ID in Tradehub21? Bb will grow further and is growth rapidly with good people.

Lastly, the boss of bb has never hidden that fact that many years ago, he was the working salary employee MD with no shares for land international, which was owned 100% by 2 UK directors who did indeed ran away with company money. See the contact page of www.landintfe.com. The boss of bb was never questioned by cad, or ever charged in court or guilty of any commercial or criminal offence. If he is guilty, then would he openly set up all the reno companies, factory, product companies in the bb group of companies under his name? Use your common sense! Why they never mentioned that he was the former Asian representative for an US State, a director for an UK province, ED for trade Association in Singapore, won an important business award in Singapore, etc. Bb boss felt all these are not important to the house owner who just wants his house renovated on time,with good design, in good workmanship and at a reasonable price! The important thing can he deliver? He ran his own projects and small team of good honest people after the bad guys left or were fired.

Imagine yourself being an employee MD for a seemly legitimate foreign UK property investment company. You were recruited because of your strong reputable background and successful track record, vast experience and knowledge of investments and UK. And then you successfully built the company in just 2 years into a group, opened 7 offices in Asia and then suddenly the foreign owners absconded with company funds and the group in Asia collapsed. So now your enemies, say you ran away with clients' monies and blame you as the culprit. Are you in a predicament? So use your common sense, is the bb boss ever charged or investigated? Never! Call Cad! Ask the reporter for that Straits Times article.. the info actually comes from bb boss. His GM in the land company is also in the Reno industry, did he ran away? No! Both are God fearing people. So you are not helping by repeating those rumour mongers and aiding crooks like James Tey and his gang.

There were 2 proven clients that were convinced that James Tey aided a sales person who ran away with clients monies! The client tried to contact bb boss but were stopped by James. Bb boss at that time was not running the ID business, James was. That sales person, Ronald Choo who has a case pending against him was invited to join bb as freelance sales by James Tey when he was the showroom manager for bb. James did not stop the two clients to pay cash to the sales person instead to the company and let it happened before he left bb to join 9 Degrees. Ronald is in jail now for CBT now! The company lost over 40K as they still have to pay the suppliers and sub-contractors. Bb did not ran away or close shop! You can guess why Mr Lee, the main investor for 9 Degree Design, closed the company suddenly in just 6 months of operations, throwing away hundreds of thousands I guess of investments in such a short time. If James Tey and his gang did this before he left bb for 9 Degrees Design, you can imagine why 9 Degree Design close so suddenly. Did something major happened in 9 Degrees before they closed? Ask James Tey in his new ID startup in Tradehub21! Ask Alicia Hsia who is now in Seng Kwong. Ask Kannie Wong who is now back in Chew Interior!

So will you hand your hardearned money to him to renovate your house? Will you invest in his new ID? He certainly want to start a carpentry factory, import his own laminates, hardware, start a taps and sanitaryware company, big showroom, do trade show every month... Had he done his job properly, being loyal to the company, be ethical and honest, he would be very successful in bb, awarded shares and made MD of the company already.

So the only way James can let the industry changed their opinion about him is to continue to bad mouth bb. He need to justify his reason for misleading his team and suppliers that bb is closing so that he can be shareholder in 9 Degrees. The more he does that, the more truths about him and his gang will come out. You want to know hs new ID company name in Tradehub? Pity Jack Koh his current partner.

Edited May 12, 2012 by Blveblue

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is GENSNONO the same person as Blveblue? since GENSNONO can no longer defend blveblue without exposing the true identity, blveblue suddenly joins in. your comments are really unprofessional and rude for a big ID firm.

i WAS honestly a potential customer. we went to the showroom, saw the laminated insides, got a quote and was really interested. but before i put down my money, i came into renotalk to search for any reviews. after all, if you are charging pvc prices for laminate insides it sounds too good to be true and there must be many customers right? what i was concerned is whether you can deliver the same good quality on time and without trouble. quality in showroom might not be equal to what is delivered.

but when i came into renotalk, i found 2 threads, one on blve and blue and one on myidfactory. the reviews are not good. one customer who had their carpentry work delayed again and again got worried and search about the company and the boss. i was uncomfortable about what i read and wanted to show my wife to make an informed decision. when i tried to find the threads, it disappeared and all i saw was GENSNONO comments all about how good and cheap lamidoor is. no more mention of myidfactory.

it seemed very fishy to me and i left a comment. and if GENSNONO is really a customer, why would he be so agitated and started mentioning James Tey who i have never heard of. then blveblue came threatening to sue.

how do they make money if they charge pvc prices for laminate insides and still maintain such a big showroom? profits must come from somewhere. i saw most of their basins going for more than 200, while you can get that from hoe kee for 100-200. their quotations for other works are more expensive than market rate too. anyone can get a quotation and compare for themselves.

i don't mind paying slightly more for service and a reliable firm, but your attitude and reaction to bad comments are truly unprofessional. all i can say is i'm glad that i did not put any money down yet.

Most of our basins are listed below $200! Prices are list prices with discounts. Did you ask for them? Try some shops in Balestier and you get a feel of the pries. Hoe kee is a direct importer who sells direct to end user. Is this the quote that you claimed so loudly that bb is expensive just by looking at the list prices? Is this the first time you heard of list prices?

How to make money when we charge laminate inside with PVC prices?

Do you know that importers of hardware and even laminates got a couple of hundred percent of profit margins on it. The importer imports, then sell them at a big profits to hardware shop who puts another profit margin and sells them to carpenters who markup them further and sells to your regular IDs who put a further profit margins and then sell them to consumers. So did you ever wonder why you don't see so many kitchen and wardrobe accessories being used in the market? It is because they are too expensive after the 4 profit margins. Our lazy Susan corner unit sells for $250. Our stainless steel soft closing hinges and under-mounted soft closing slides are free on all kitchens! Try beating that! Want to see real discounts, visit our showroom and ask for the discounted price.

So what is wrong with bb importing directly and passing the savings to the end consumers? So it does not takes a genius in the trade to figure out that by bypassing the middlemen and having own factory and importing all the major items, the company bb can offer a better product at a better price to our clients. McDonald does that.

Now you change your tone and not so aggressive after I revealed James Tey to the forum. We know that James Tey likes to use the phase "what goes around comes around" and why did you put that comment if you are not James Tey? That was James' parting phrase comment to bb boss when he left to join 9 Degrees! If what we said is not true, James can sue us! Why no comment from James? I think the forumers can clearly see the distinction between your initial harsh attack on bb in your first few posts and now suddenly changed tone to the victimized consumer by bid ID which we are not! You are a great pretender!

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Most of our basins are listed below $200! Prices are list prices with discounts. Did you ask for them? Try some shops in Balestier and you get a feel of the pries. Hoe kee is a direct importer who sells direct to end user. Is this the quote that you claimed so loudly that bb is expensive just by looking at the list prices? Is this the first time you heard of list prices?

How to make money when we charge laminate inside with PVC prices?

Do you know that importers of hardware and even laminates got a couple of hundred percent of profit margins on it. The importer imports, then sell them at a big profits to hardware shop who puts another profit margin and sells them to carpenters who markup them further and sells to your regular IDs who put a further profit margins and then sell them to consumers. So did you ever wonder why you don't see so many kitchen and wardrobe accessories being used in the market? It is because they are too expensive after the 4 profit margins. Our lazy Susan corner unit sells for $250. Our stainless steel soft closing hinges and under-mounted soft closing slides are free on all kitchens! Try beating that! Want to see real discounts, visit our showroom and ask for the discounted price.

So what is wrong with bb importing directly and passing the savings to the end consumers? So it does not takes a genius in the trade to figure out that by bypassing the middlemen and having own factory and importing all the major items, the company bb can offer a better product at a better price to our clients. McDonald does that.

Now you change your tone and not so aggressive after I revealed James Tey to the forum. We know that James Tey likes to use the phase "what goes around comes around" and why did you put that comment if you are not James Tey? That was James' parting phrase comment to bb boss when he left to join 9 Degrees! If what we said is not true, James can sue us! Why no comment from James? I think the forumers can clearly see the distinction between your initial harsh attack on bb in your first few posts and now suddenly changed tone to the victimized consumer by bid ID which we are not! You are a great pretender!

it's funny how you still die die insist that i am James. if i'm james and don't want people to know my identity, why would i use the same phase? if i am not james, how would i know that he used that phase?

my first post was a question and a fact that i read bad reviews. do a quick search on renotalk, you can easily find the threads but myidfactory thread disappeared. i asked if GENSNONO was from blve and blue as all his post recommends blve and blue. why he keep recommending but i saw bad reviews. he was the one who got aggressive and suddenly i'm being accused of being james. and when GENSNONO can't continue to let out too much details and defend blve and blue, suddenly blveblue joins in. if GENSNONO is a consumer like me, how do he know abt the james and the dispute? GENSNONO disappeared and started to post on other threads after i suspect that he's from blve and blue. his first few posts only recommends lamidoor. is GENSNONO and blve and blue the same person? only you (and god) knows. if both of u are the same, really shame on you. what goes around will come around. i cannot sue you because i'm not james.

i'm not going to waste any more time with you. you have already shown how unprofessional and rude to the point of being childish in your comments.

none of the links i found contain anything positive. consumers should do their research and make an informed choice. even if showroom look very nice, sales people sound very convincing, what you see may or may not be what you get. when there are disputes, how will the management handle? i prefer to go with ID firms recommended by trusted people or the renoblogs which really shows from the selection of IDs, the progress and comments with photos.

http://www.renotalk.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=47061

http://www.renotalk.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=40819&st=40

http://www.renotalk.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=30320

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/money-mind-210/land-banking-land-international-far-east-land-wealth-centre-2624724.html

http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/land-international-far-east-land-wealth-centre-c327894.html

Edited May 13, 2012 by lejosef