Feng Shui - Gua Number & Stove

[tidakboleh 0]

Dear Tidakboleh,

For example regarding XKFX, the period 8 influences could be the greater this year when compared to say, the year 2004?

Cheers!

Dear lauer, I run out of coins already

Period 8 influence is always there. If you are talking about relative influence with the year, that again will depend on which year star and what event you looking at. 2004 is 5, this year is 7, all on different aspects of importance.

[bepgof 20]

As you have knowledge in tcm, you should more or less have your own answer, don't you?

There are many types of "qi" in tcm and they are comprehensive(forms and formless) with symptoms. In tcm, qi is transported via 脉(十二经脉 & 奇经八脉), unlike the "qi" in fs.

I really catch no ball. Only taught to acknowledge that good qi proper this and that, bad qi (sha)damage this and that....but...if you know more, pls enlighten.

[Lauer 15]

Dear lauer, I run out of coins already

Period 8 influence is always there. If you are talking about relative influence with the year, that again will depend on which year star and what event you looking at. 2004 is 5, this year is 7, all on different aspects of importance.

Dear Tidakboleh,

I have to declare that I have not read a FS book before; all I "know" are gathered mostly from here, and wikipedia/links provided generously by Bepgof.

Don't shoot arrows arh...

Regarding period 8 (Earth), I was referring to its influence relative to the birth year of a house.

Thank you in advance to continue to donate.

Edited November 17, 2011 by Lauer

[tidakboleh 0]

Dear Tidakboleh,

I have to declare that I have not read a FS book before; all I "know" are gathered mostly from here, and wikipedia/links provided generously by Bepgof.

Don't shoot arrows arh...

Regarding period 8 (Earth), I was referring to its influence relative to the birth year of a house.

Thank you in advance to continue to donate.

Hi, if you have not started from somewhere, should be quite difficult to understand

What I understand is that from the internet, there are always 'noises'. So be careful of what you read, which can be junks and garbages.

I got no more "cents" to buy arrows

Here's my limited knowledge: Each period has its own influence. The difference between 2004 and 2011 is insignificant as compared to the period itself.

[tidakboleh 0]

There are many types of "qi" in tcm and they are comprehensive(forms and formless) with symptoms. In tcm, qi is transported via 脉(十二经脉 & 奇经八脉), unlike the "qi" in fs.

I really catch no ball. Only taught to acknowledge that good qi proper this and that, bad qi (sha)damage this and that....but...if you know more, pls enlighten.

Hi, my knowledge also limited

Fs Qi and tcm on Qi is just about the same. All the person want is to have beneficial Qi in the house.

[kcwee 8]

Hi, if you have not started from somewhere, should be quite difficult to understand

What I understand is that from the internet, there are always 'noises'. So be careful of what you read, which can be junks and garbages.

I got no more "cents" to buy arrows

Here's my limited knowledge: Each period has its own influence. The difference between 2004 and 2011 is insignificant as compared to the period itself.

I think horh....2004 built houses are better than 2011, 5 is better than 7 mah, tio boh?

[bepgof 20]

I think horh....2004 built houses are better than 2011, 5 is better than 7 mah, tio boh?

Based on everythings the same except for land lease title, freehold is best and if for lease hold- whether 999 or 99, 2011 sure better than 2004.

[Lauer 15]

Hi, if you have not started from somewhere, should be quite difficult to understand

What I understand is that from the internet, there are always 'noises'. So be careful of what you read, which can be junks and garbages.

I got no more "cents" to buy arrows

Here's my limited knowledge: Each period has its own influence. The difference between 2004 and 2011 is insignificant as compared to the period itself.

Dear Tidakboleh,

You are absolutely right about starting somewhere. The problem is that the somewhere should be the right starting point; starting point salah, oops. But that is also not much of a problem, except that to understand the classic texts, my command of chinese CMI leh.

So, hope to continue to meet Noble Men along the journey.

Regarding the birth of a house. I would have thought that at the practical top level of Period, Period 8 influence is/would be inherent in a house that is built/o be built within 2004 & 2023. Of course, XKFX analysis could cascade through the time-dimension levels of Cycle, Period, Year, Month, Day, Bi-Hours but the lower level dimensions are still subjugated to the Period influence.

Within the Period 8's 2004 to 2023, its influence could intensify from 2004 onwards, peak, and then wane towards 2023. This intensifying & waning cycle, or Yin-Yang cycle, should be reflecting in the lower level analysis.

The analogy would be for the Bazi of a person, the practical top level of birth Month (or season) has the inherent influence over Day & Bi-Hours. By practical, I meant that the Year influence comes under the 60-Years cycle after all.

Cheers!

[tidakboleh 0]

Dear Tidakboleh,

You are absolutely right about starting somewhere. The problem is that the somewhere should be the right starting point; starting point salah, oops. But that is also not much of a problem, except that to understand the classic texts, my command of chinese CMI leh.

So, hope to continue to meet Noble Men along the journey.

Here 1 cent: Your thoughts are very valid. It will depend on whether you have an interest and how deep is your interest. Generally speaking, if you keep your concern on this point, you'll never start

On the other hand, I have seen friends who started in courses and books but ultimately due to different reasons drop out of it. Well, of course most of them have a very good starting reason for their pursue which is to enhance their house wealth usually

I think as it goes, heard from them confusion, frustration and lack of evidence grows, they give up. What a waste of their time, I think.

Starting Salah is also another concern:) If after starting, things don't verify true, should be quite alright. However, if the applications end up giving tragedies, then its like digging own grave. I have seen some of my friends after attending some courses, start trying on their friends houses. Ends up I really pity their friends. Starting point Salah also cam mean the materials they start of with. Even masters of different schools have different views on their theories, so this is not easy

Regarding the birth of a house. I would have thought that at the practical top level of Period, Period 8 influence is/would be inherent in a house that is built/o be built within 2004 & 2023. Of course, XKFX analysis could cascade through the time-dimension levels of Cycle, Period, Year, Month, Day, Bi-Hours but the lower level dimensions are still subjugated to the Period influence.

Within the Period 8's 2004 to 2023, its influence could intensify from 2004 onwards, peak, and then wane towards 2023. This intensifying & waning cycle, or Yin-Yang cycle, should be reflecting in the lower level analysis.

The analogy would be for the Bazi of a person, the practical top level of birth Month (or season) has the inherent influence over Day & Bi-Hours. By practical, I meant that the Year influence comes under the 60-Years cycle after all.

If base on XKFX, 7, 8, 9 each period of 20 years is still under 下元运. Not necessary to scrutinise in such a way. Under Ford motors, when he first got his V engine, whether its manufactured in 1st year or 5th, as long as the management is still under Ford, its still the same car. Didn't mean the car has travelled 50000 miles means its waning Unless you use cheap engine oil or treat the car like landrover

This analogy cannot be applied to bazi because how the year or month influence will depend on the other pillars. Can you say the engine is the heart of the car and has the most influence or the computer board/ chip which is the brain the car? No, if you get a lousy tire or worn tire, guarantee your engine and company goes soon to scrap yard

Edited November 18, 2011 by tidakboleh

[bepgof 20]

Hi, my knowledge also limited

Fs Qi and tcm on Qi is just about the same. All the person want is to have beneficial Qi in the house.

Let me try my best to quantify and differential their differences. I'm 100% sure the 2 Qis are different, at least, in the following ways:

1. TCM's Qi concept applies mostly WITHIN human body, but, there are "external Qi" as well (external factors, like change of weather, virus, bacteria, etc, it is called 邪气外侵). Chinese characters very "funny", whatever "bad" ones are called "邪", not necessarily meaning "evil". FS Qi deal with "environmental circumstances".

2. TCM Qis "travel" via "经脉" which the westerners still catch no ball what are "经脉". The travel of tcm Qis is according to the "相生相克" principles of wu xing. How FS Qi is "transported", via water/wind/road??? Anyhow "travel"???

3. TCM Qis present only when there is human "live". No live no qi. Qi = live. FS Qi independent? HOW/WHEN does it exist and remain?

4. The different Qis within body is said to be "balanced and optimised" when one is in good health and have highest resistance to the external 邪气. FS Qi got "balanced" concept?

I therefore said the FS Qi, at this present stage, is very "imaginary", or, bluntly put it: not well defined. Therefore leave "too many" rooms for agar agar INDIVIDUAL　imagination．

[Lauer 15]

If base on XKFX, 7, 8, 9 each period of 20 years is still under 下元运. Not necessary to scrutinise in such a way. Under Ford motors, when he first got his V engine, whether its manufactured in 1st year or 5th, as long as the management is still under Ford, its still the same car. Didn't mean the car has travelled 50000 miles means its waning Unless you use cheap engine oil or treat the car like landrover

This analogy cannot be applied to bazi because how the year or month influence will depend on the other pillars. Can you say the engine is the heart of the car and has the most influence or the computer board/ chip which is the brain the car? No, if you get a lousy tire or worn tire, guarantee your engine and company goes soon to scrap yard

In Bazi analysis, everything is based on one's birthday. I think that this foundation is unshakable, right? One's birthday could not be changed, it is a given.

In FS analysis (of which XKFX is but one method amongst many), if one excludes external environment of natural land formation, waterway etc which one could "meet" but couldn't create, then it is mostly about FS of a house or building. When the birthday of a house, the corresponding XKFX's Period, is not the foundation of its FS, then what is? A Period 7 house should not be able to enjoy the "lucks" of a Period 8 house, because the sectors had moved when Period 7 transited to Period 8?

I think that, normally, one would not consider a car that clocked 50000 miles as the same as a new car?

Cheers!

Edited November 19, 2011 by Lauer

[bepgof 20]

In Bazi analysis, everything is based on one's birthday. I think that this foundation is unshakable, right? One's birthday could not be changed, it is a given.

In FS analysis (of which XKFX is but one method amongst many), if one excludes external environment of natural land formation, waterway etc which one could "meet" but couldn't create, then it is mostly about FS of a house or building. When the birthday of a house, the corresponding XKFX's Period, is not the foundation of its FS, then what is? A Period 7 house should not be able to enjoy the "lucks" of a Period 8 house, because the sectors had moved when Period 7 transited to Period 8?

Honey, i like your reasoning.

[Lauer 15]

Let me try my best to quantify and differential their differences. I'm 100% sure the 2 Qis are different, at least, in the following ways:

1. TCM's Qi concept applies mostly WITHIN human body, but, there are "external Qi" as well (external factors, like change of weather, virus, bacteria, etc, it is called 邪气外侵). Chinese characters very "funny", whatever "bad" ones are called "邪", not necessarily meaning "evil". FS Qi deal with "environmental circumstances".

2. TCM Qis "travel" via "经脉" which the westerners still catch no ball what are "经脉". The travel of tcm Qis is according to the "相生相克" principles of wu xing. How FS Qi is "transported", via water/wind/road??? Anyhow "travel"???

3. TCM Qis present only when there is human "live". No live no qi. Qi = live. FS Qi independent? HOW/WHEN does it exist and remain?

4. The different Qis within body is said to be "balanced and optimised" when one is in good health and have highest resistance to the external 邪气. FS Qi got "balanced" concept?

I therefore said the FS Qi, at this present stage, is very "imaginary", or, bluntly put it: not well defined. Therefore leave "too many" rooms for agar agar INDIVIDUAL　imagination．

My agar agar individual imagination...for open discussion.

I think that the ancient verse on how Qi travels, from higher ground (mountain, hill) to stop at the lower ground (water), should not be taken literally. But before going further, we all need to accept that Qi (FS or environmental Qi, not referring to TCM's Qi here) exists, OK?

Where did the Qi at the mountain come from, for it to travel to the lower ground? The mountain referred in the verse, in my imagination, could mean a structure. This structure became a repository of environmental Qi, a sort of whirlpool capturing the Qi.

The water in the verse could refer to a flat land below the mountain, that also functions as a repository of Qi, but of a much lower capacity.

So imagine, visualize in your mind, the movement of water around two whirlpools, one larger & one smaller? You would get a movement that somewhat resembles the Ying-Yang diagram.

Is this why in FS analysis, the Ming Tang is important, without which the environmental Qi could not possibly get into a house.

What could happen to the Qi in the mountain. Dispersed by wind.

Speaking of wind, please enjoy the legend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjXwvB2BD6A&fmt=22

Cheers!

Edited November 20, 2011 by Lauer

[tidakboleh 0]

Let me try my best to quantify and differential their differences. I'm 100% sure the 2 Qis are different, at least, in the following ways:

1. TCM's Qi concept applies mostly WITHIN human body, but, there are "external Qi" as well (external factors, like change of weather, virus, bacteria, etc, it is called 邪气外侵). Chinese characters very "funny", whatever "bad" ones are called "邪", not necessarily meaning "evil". FS Qi deal with "environmental circumstances".

2. TCM Qis "travel" via "经脉" which the westerners still catch no ball what are "经脉". The travel of tcm Qis is according to the "相生相克" principles of wu xing. How FS Qi is "transported", via water/wind/road??? Anyhow "travel"???

3. TCM Qis present only when there is human "live". No live no qi. Qi = live. FS Qi independent? HOW/WHEN does it exist and remain?

4. The different Qis within body is said to be "balanced and optimised" when one is in good health and have highest resistance to the external 邪气. FS Qi got "balanced" concept?

I therefore said the FS Qi, at this present stage, is very "imaginary", or, bluntly put it: not well defined. Therefore leave "too many" rooms for agar agar INDIVIDUAL　imagination．

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[tidakboleh 0]

In Bazi analysis, everything is based on one's birthday. I think that this foundation is unshakable, right? One's birthday could not be changed, it is a given.

In FS analysis (of which XKFX is but one method amongst many), if one excludes external environment of natural land formation, waterway etc which one could "meet" but couldn't create, then it is mostly about FS of a house or building. When the birthday of a house, the corresponding XKFX's Period, is not the foundation of its FS, then what is? A Period 7 house should not be able to enjoy the "lucks" of a Period 8 house, because the sectors had moved when Period 7 transited to Period 8?

I think that, normally, one would not consider a car that clocked 50000 miles as the same as a new car?

Cheers!

Of course the feel and smell of a new car is different

For the 50000miles, it centres around the topic of "V8 Ford" and not 'wear and tear'