hello liverpool11 Yeah, their things are really expensive! anyway, i do not think i can afford those premium ranges. i am looking more into the entry level ones for my parents, shall bring my parents down one of these weekends! the best thing is, if my parents decides to sell the apartment, they can bring it along to their new home! anyway, i am looking for a entry-level sirocco, preferably less than 2 years. bro, any lobang?