I thiink they are still pretty the same leh... Cos my family enage them as our ID 2 years back & her after sales service for defects are prompt too (if we give her enough time to arrange). I would like to share that our id is good & the firm's workmanship is very much up to my dad stict expectation. I shall gve them a Thumb up since they are can pass my dad's high expectation. And we recommended her to our cousin & they chose TIP too.. My cousin had very good comments on their workmanship & efficiency although price abit high but consider value for the design concept & materials used.