kcwee

Harrrrr.....you call this explanation ah....... Is this the actual meaning of the author? Hero liao ah.....everything classic i oso use ying yang explain can liao. Want to explain again the actual meaning of the author? Or don't know?

wah....clap clap clap le

Know what it means...... eh sai explain bo?

"1贪狼，is wisdom, 智慧星" Are you totally sure? Just 智慧 only?

Simple lo....because he doesn't know ma

wah...you come out of your self-hypnotization liao ah?

I also layman le....can simplify how to use 1+4 star bo.....can use or cannot use? or use already must wait for very long to happen.....don't keep writing missing link le.....either know or don't know....know just share.....don't know or not willing to share just shut up.

Are you sure....some seek the color of gold le

wah....not bad huh.....change engine oil liao ah So you mean "5 element luck each lasting 12 years a total of 60 years " is called 六十甲子?

Wah lau....laugh liao must give me present la.....

waH SEH....who is dripping juice......me or him?

You understand what it means......explain la....don't always write halfway.

Wah lau eh....still wanna cross road with me......lai lo

Yes la.....sometimes get wrong advice liao can die people wanna.....don't be misled by irresponsible people who learnt some fs knowledge, don't know where they stand........gaykiang post and post......then some blurblur forummers try to save money no engage fsm and adopt.....jialat liao. Like my teacher said before, anyhow place water and if wrong, not only bo chai but swaysway may kena accident or death......mai siao siao But anyway......karma will catch up with these irresponsible people...... tio bo?

Jialat liao la.....see who dare to itchy mouth still say possible. This wan no need fsm also will say clash wanna. If you engage fsm, check with the master what answer. Mai siao siao play play......better correct it or ask fsm advice ho bo

Wah....testing me again liao? You talking which period or the type (method) of period? Think you should know its 8 now tio bo. For method, up to you lo.....use 2Y or 3Y also can wanna

wah lau eh.....i not expert to say la.....hear from other fsm some put stove 30%, some 50%. Got also depend on where what school they practise lo

Yea la.....know la....just happen to cross road wat

Since you quote my name, I jump in liao. Midasls talk: Cos my view is everything belong to signs (八卦), therefore if the sign belongs to an element that does not clash with stove fire then its ok. Before we commit what element is an object we must look carefully and think about its uses, shapes and colour with uses as top priority, these are example of identifying signs (卦)。Thats does not mean that some signs(卦) are bad or some signs are good, we must be able to identify the pro and cons, 正面 or 负面 of each（卦). If pro we use, if con we avoid. Like messy cables are bad so we use tubing to keep them tidy then the signs become good. Like water, can let people drink, but what happen when water is use to wash dishes ? Is water still water ?Water in its original state and uses is for us to drink but thru time and space it transform to other uses. Its just like today I polite, tomorrow I rude, next day I study hard, all this is a transformation of several me and myself. Easier said is, SG have SG so call 4 seasons, no matter how it change its still in SG. You have your 5 element and I have my 5 element, we no need to snatch from each other. Like the world, my winter is your summer so on and so forth. Is all about time and space. Kcwee chat: My teacher always said "KC, Gua usage grows with maturity and experience". Water is still water no matter what state it is. Midasls talk If we flash back to ancient time, there was no basin, the water well is outside of the house,also the toilet and lastly the washing area,even cooking sometimes is outside the house. We have to becareful when using so call ancient myth, it might be an invention along the way to modernisation. Modernisation brought everything under one roof. kcwee answer: Don't just pick one point in time to talk about. You have missed out a lot of changes throughout the few thousands years about basin and stove in taiwan and hongkong. Midasls said So as for these discussion all I can say is, if one party say avoid then if avoid means feel better just avoid it, but what if to those consumer can't avoid ? I think the best way is still survey and get the statistic. So the more people with basin oppo stove chime in the clearer picture we have but there are many other factors affecting stove too. What can we say without house survey or audit ? kcwee retort Buay tahan. Do you know how many cases are there to have basin directly opposite stove? You ask a silly survey which will never materialise. Why don't you kick off the ball rolling and put your basin directly opposite oyur stove and see how le? Kalimantan's unit may have a small kitchen and that's why design comes this way but there are still space if he wants to go ahead to renovate. He can also choose to take a risk if he wants. If anything happens to him, he will be part of your survey study? Junior? Midasls wrote If its seriously a water sign then it will not clash with fire, if not how we boil soup? Cooking also need water too. Water enter stove transform into food for us, its a creation. So to us whats the use of water? Like KC said 既济卦 or 未济卦，is just who is on top who is below, water on top fire below 既济，fire on top water below 未济, from here we see its just a matter of where things change to at that time. Of cos in FS we use element to do certain calculation and also to achieve mountain stars to be healthy, thus we will use an element that compliment the master mountain star element. 客来生主关系. Fire and Water, although comes together will fight each other, depends on yin and yang too. For example yang water and ying fire although element clash but yin yang combine, vice versa, combines means new creation ! So before we look at element first we must look at the yin yang of the object. Stove with real fire is yang fire. Kcwee chided Si beh jialat.....really stubborn and childish in your talk......water use on stove, of course stove is still fire la. That's why I said using 既济 is rubbish la You might as well said the TV inside got alot of copper wire, soldering, metal chips, resistor metal wires and for that you want to call it "metal" You still haven't understand the basics of mountains stars, you still want to talk usage again? Using mountains stars, yet never understand a facing star plate properly, you dare put certain mountain stars good to place stove? Do you have any conscience if forummers end up in trouble? Wah lau, don't mix up what is clash and yin yang combination la....... baby in a cradle........

Wah lau......its very simple. I can see a few smart people here like you, tidakboleh and 5cs. Very, very simple.....go ask a few master this few things I put down here d) stove and basin can put opposite? g) can placement of stove base on the chart given here and follow the mountain stars k) Are those I posted a must basics for 紫白 (i think this wanna in another post) Got the most feedback on same agreement ho seh liao.....talk so much for what.....discuss with people got brains I don't mind, tio bo. Waste time with "people" who keep beating around the bush, I can die faster le. Kalimantan, different schools can be different schools but all schools come back to the same principles. Basics are basics. When a person keep using a gua to flip basics, then no point wasting time liao. A cup is a cup. Layman and masters and sensible people just take it as it is. At extreme cases, a cup can be used to decorate or broken into pieces to use the clay. But all these flipping of Gua is for extreme cases and mostly for the sake of play among students (during classes, we flip with guas for fun). If a person wants to play with a Gua, all 8 can be used and it will all come back in a cycle. So nobody wins. By now if you read carefully, it should draw some conclusion to you of some personality here tio bo. Basin and stove is not a myth le. Even if myth, its been down for thousands of years, why beat it? Tio bo (miss michael jackson....beat it) Basin and stove clash have been recorded extensively in olden chinese fs text. Wah lau....for your Guan Yin, can be possibility that your house feng shui good.....so this wan no issue or can be its wrong and when suppose to take impact n kena liao, then the monk came to save you? Your case may have many reasons to it. Best get a master to explain la......

Siao bo! What's the point of continuing? You are always making a dough out of a mole. If you say basin can be not a sign of water, then stove can be also not a sign of fire liao, What for cite all these extreme cases just to defend your wrong perspectives? Now is layman, plain and simple, a very common situation about a kitchen, what for play tai chi here? Even idiots know that a basin in kitchen is water. You want to say the basin may have no tap? or you want to give another situation possible thebasin is for show only?, no water or never use? Then put basin there for what liao? Don't continue to talk about stupid situations where its not practical.

Wah biang oui , can I ask you back your kitchen only 1x1 size? Even how small a kitchen, you still can place in L shape or side by side. When you post something or a question, make sure it make sense. Otherwise, readers can tell your brain's IQ.

Wah lau.....quote me ah? I also consumer le ....just because learnt some skin and hair doesn't mean I Best Denki tio bo? I think i read you got many masters wat.....go ask them, see which one say stove opposite basin ok. I will go help you tear down their signboard if they say ok and their home otherwise, hehe This is simple 水火相冲, some people may use what 既济卦 rubbish, all this is because some people learnt liao didn't know how to apply. Bro, tell you one story hobo. Last time my teacher's new enrolment got one new student, si bei how lian, came in said already learnt flying stars, got master certificate liao, already advance level liao, asked my teacher what other kung fu can teach him. My teacher ask him to share with the new students how to activate water star, the sibei how lian went to the podium and tell everyone to put water , like fish tank la at water star 8. All my seniors and lim peh laugh until the whole whole class don't know what happen. My teacher later then told him, water put wrongly can die people also. So investment is one thing, location, location and location can never go wrong. But staying there and maintain stove basin clash......take care bro.....

Posted Today, 10:34 AM midasls, on 18 Aug 2013 - 04:25 AM, said: Wah.....didn't know your flying star so good ah......tio la, you are correct le. Pai Seh, I didn't even notice le. You very sharp. This type of information on sitting and facing stars is beginner's stuff but when applied to stove, it doesn't work as described liao. Amateurs will use the 五行 concept of earth element propers 旺 and wood element give birth 生. Totally rubbish. Any forumers use the stove and place accordingly can end up losing their family members or family members fall into serious illness. I won't be like those amateurish people use the excuse of 天机不可泄漏 to avoid sharing this topic because they don't know. Nowadays masters all giving courses liao, say all these cina cina phrases think still in olden china ah ( I share only just for this topic hobo). Those got substance will know what I'm talking about tio boh? Lets say East facing, 坐庚, M8 W8 at east, cookoo forumer follow the above reference and place stove sit east, one or some of the family members will have health problems. Place stove sit west M3W4 also will have health problem Another, south facing, 坐子. SW got M1W6. Again blur forummer go follow the above and place stove, this wan more jialat, serious illness can cause cyst, tumour growth or can die people wanna. The above is base on 山龙， 地元龙 ， 元运 相 克 So to all forummers, anyhow follow other people advice can die wanna....you know Those got liao wanna, can clap clap or not, I also consumer le......