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Hi nat0206, Althought I did not get the full story, some parts in this thread shows some similarities to the ID that we're reviewing. Do you mind just let me know whether this ID reside in Balestier? Hope it's not so that I can have peace of mind. Thanks.

I just went to JB yesterday and was served by Alex. The way he talks, moon and stars...but I am not stupid. I am from JB working in SG. I smell rat from these salesman crafty talks... but usually I am cool not like the younger days where easily tempted...haha. I like marble products. The marble furniture is not bad but I am skeptic that they will deliver the same type that in the showroom once full payment is made. He also tries to 'ketuk' me saying if transport to SG for marble products, transport cost will go up from usual RM200 to RM480...giving reason, marble furniture heavier...got such thing meh...hahaha...try to make RM280 and lost potential few thousands RM bisness...dunno what to say abt these salesman ...:-) I also went to GuccaItaly and those shops diagonal opposite GuccaItaly...all craps furniture. The pricing of these furnitures already skyhigh eg. GuccaItaly dining table set average at RM11,000 per set before discount. After discount usually about RM7,899-RM8,999. These kinda pricing is the same within those areas. Where got so expensive dining table from these shops my fren? They're not posh shop with posh brand anyway. Went to Lorenzo, their products standard really dropped a lot...not many designs and mostly old designs. Went to Rustica, product ok for leather sofa but others so-so nia. The lady shown me those invoices bought by Singaporean but always have to pay in full. I still feel 'Pay in Full' term is really to the disadvantage to you guys. Nobody is able to guarantee anything after the full payment is made and there will be difficult for recourse because anything can happen in JB...so be careful and always be cool and not to jump into conclusion after a few sweet talks if you still intend to buy from JB. And each time after scouting, I will research from Internet to check whether any bad experiences by forummer and happened to see this which was posted recently...sigh! Guess I need to find my own marble slab, get some marble factory to slice the marble slab according to size and diameter, get some carpenter to build the base and legs in order to get a my furniture...hahaha...

This is exactly what happened to me too and it is that 'bespectacled' a$$hole again...! **** arrogant, cocky and CB man! To all here, please avoid this shop at all cost!! To him, I pui pui pui and hope his business skyrocket to....deep into the sea!! I am really pissed!!

hi happy, nice reno there you have. Good for you. Tell you a surprise news. Someone quoted me just to hack my small little unit and disposal = $8.5K!!!! I dunno want to laugh or cry ...my head really look like a carrot meh (that was the first thot that came to my mind). U know who I am refering...hehehe! :D

haha thanks! We all sure was a "Robert Head" once a while in life but just dun be a BIG 'Robert Head'... I got Roy's quote this morning. Yesterday another ID came to my house. This ID able to fit their Resale HDB package pricing into my condo unit. That's a good start because these packages usually cheaper to start with and get some rebate if we do not accept their free gifts (I dun need the free gifts anyway). From here, I will be able to branch out on the additional items I want especially on the carpentry. This package for 22K includes:- 1. Hack of existing tiles and partitions. 2. Retile whole house with waterproofing in bathrooms and kitchen and ceramic tiles in bathroom and kitchen walls. Homo tiles for the floors. 3. Install 20ft kitchen (exclude solid top. I will upgrade for solid top). As usual they called in solid ply with laminates and ABS trimming and Hettich drawer system (silent close) for the kitchen 4. Install false ceiling in whole house 5. Painting 6. Plumbing 7. Partial electical 8. 3 nyatoh doors with classical feel.. The above exclude a few K rebates. So minus the rebate, I am well below 20k for a start. Then I will use the 4K to do wardrobe, platform bed with bay window sitting&storage and some shelves. Then I will add few more K to get tv console and shelves and a large cabinet in living plus some simple feature walls in 2 rooms and living plus electrical (including spotlights, downlights and cove lights)...wah seh...can go under 30k liao...getting nearer...hehee! One wasteful thing is my kitchen was only 3 years old. It has Blum system with solid top but fortunately Blum tracks can be reused for my new kitchen which was included in the package and I also replaced all switches plate (Clipsal with LED and the newer range of Clipsal Zencelo) by myself under $200 and repainted my whole on my own under S$350 ... Roy's quote looks promising too. These 2 IDs shud be pretty promising on the price but I would thk Roy's will probably hit slightly over 30K. Workmanship shud not be too far the difference but I thk workmanship really really really depends on luck. No ID has high skilled specialized carpenters (where got Senior Carpenter Consultant one) or high skilled specialized tilers (where got Senior Tiler Specialist one)... So beside needing luck not becoming Mr Robert Head, I also need great luck on the tiling and waterproofing. So wish me lots and lots of luck for this reno...haha!

Hi babytan, I am still waiting quote from Roy. I hope you getting a good quote from Roy and wish you every best for your up and coming reno. My feature wall is simple, just to make some plain walls with a bit of colors. Not a tv console feature wall. My strategy is to get an ID to include all the items that I wished (at least 90%) and optimize the total price as low as possible becos those usually did not include electrical, bathroom accessories, furnitures, lights etc. Once the total is being calculated, initial 25k will baloon up to 40k. Imagine what will happen if 40k is the reno package excluding those post-items. Die man! Who would want to invest 70-80k to a flat which were being bought for abt less than 500k? If the unit is over 1.5mil, then it is different story la. I am sure if one do not change the carpentry materials, Person A who took up Premium HDB package for a resale 4-room (abt 1000sqft) which cost 17K compared to Person B who get itemised billing for a 2-room condo unit (900sqft) who has to pay 40k will get similar wood materials from the same company. I do not think they will be so nice to give you very high quality of wood and their top specialist carpenters...their workers still the same group with the same skill set and where got company categorize or group their workers by skill set level? Take for example, the wood for wardrobe will still be laminates for the doors, 12mm board for the shelves (if not 15mm), the wardrobe backing usually 9mm board (if you nvr ask for 12mm), and inside finishing usually PVC or polygon, and some laminates doors with ABS trimmings. So to conclude, the 17K package will still be getting the same quality for 40k package. So why pay more for the same items if one can get it for less. In Singapore, the most popular woods is plywood (becos it's one of the lowest cost). Some of them say solid ply (whr got solid ply one.. - ply means ply lor), some are ply as the frame and hollow in middle, then they just laminate it and trim it with ABS finihes. For those cheaper packages, they just reduce the ply and remove the ABS...thats my opinion.. Not all has the luxury to spend the way they like. Most are hard-earned and we as consumers, just want to get our fair deal. If the ID not earning, they will avoid you more than you do.......hehehe...Well I will continue my search for THE ID (just like Indiano Jones and the Lost Kingdom of Crystal ID)...:D

You'll be surprise how much these so called ID can make from your 40k. I managed to squeeze one ID for all the above (except electrical) for 27K!! Am I stingy or **** horrible customer or what?!! No...I would say, if you do the real costing of all these materials, it's peanuts to the IDs. Mine is only small unit, about 930sqft (lesser if minus the kitchen). I do not hack solid walls, only those gypsum board partitions...how much work would that be man!....Well I hope I am getting nearer to the right one soon..

Hi, Do you have Andrew contact? Please PM me. No harm getting another quote. I intend to squeeze the ID for all these: 1. Remove partition wall and hack tiles whole house except kitchen 2. Reinstall partition wall (these are gypsum or lightweight walls) 3. Retile those hacked 4. False celing with cove lights whole house 5. Settee chair at dining, 1x8ft wardrobe, 1x 9ft wardrobe, tv console, shelves, cabinets, bed platform, bay window sitting area, more shelves, bathrooms shelves and mirrors, cabinets in living area etc 6. Painting 7. Plumbing 8. Electrical All these for 25K nett. Hope I can find..ahahhaa!

Hi redknapp, This is me who posted in your blog page. Apology to post it there. Was reading your analysis ma... Anyway, I hope I will get a good quote from Roy (Inzen). If not, headache liao. Need to do my reno next month and still cannot get one which is satisfactory. Seeing one ID from WeiKen tonight. Instead of me became a carrot head, I will try to make that ID a carrot head...(hopefully)..